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特里·雷尔 —— 破除所有规则的心理治疗师 (#810) || Terry Real — The Therapist Who Breaks All The Rules (#810)

2025-05-09 21:58:36


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蒂姆·费里斯播客:与打破常规的治疗师特里·里尔对话 (中英文摘要)

这篇博文总结了蒂姆·费里斯播客中与家庭治疗师特里·里尔(Terry Real)的访谈。里尔以其在男性心理学和两性关系方面开创性的工作而闻名,其著作《我不想谈论它》(I Don’t Want To Talk About It)和《我们》(Us)均为畅销书。

访谈核心内容:

  • 男孩与男人的区别: 里尔指出,男孩的世界观是“你有什么给我?”,而男人则是“这里需要什么?”,体现了成熟男性对责任和贡献的关注。
  • 关系生命疗法 (RLT): 访谈深入探讨了里尔创立的关系生命疗法,该疗法关注关系中的和谐、不和谐和修复过程。它强调理解伴侣的主观体验,并通过“移情式好奇”来促进沟通。
  • 男性抑郁症: 里尔讨论了男性抑郁症的“隐蔽”形式,以及其与童年创伤和父权制社会压力的关联。他认为,男性被教导压抑脆弱和情感,导致了心理创伤和抑郁。
  • 关系中的修复: 里尔强调修复在关系中的重要性,并指出修复是一个“单行道”,需要一方主动付出和服务另一方。
  • 传统性别角色的局限性: 里尔批判了传统性别角色对个人和关系的负面影响,主张男女双方都需要在脆弱和果断之间取得平衡,才能建立真正亲密的关系。
  • RLT的核心概念: 访谈涵盖了RLT的多个核心概念,包括“明智的成年人”、“受伤的孩子”、“适应性孩子”这三种人格部分;“关系正念”;“记住爱”;“痛苦的舒适区”与“快乐的不舒适区”;以及“关系中的权力平衡”。

其他信息:

访谈还包括对里尔著作、治疗方法、相关心理概念以及其他专家的介绍,以及对播客赞助商的宣传。

关键词: 特里·里尔,关系生命疗法,男性心理学,两性关系,婚姻治疗,童年创伤,父权制,亲密关系,抑郁症。


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“A boy’s question of the world is ‘What do you got for me?’ A man’s question of the world is ‘What’s needed here?'”
— Terry Real

Terry Real is a nationally recognized family therapist, author, and teacher. He is known for his groundbreaking work on men and male psychology as well as his work on gender and couples.

His book I Don’t Want To Talk About It: Overcoming the Secret Legacy of Male Depression, the first book ever written on the topic of male depression, is a national bestseller. His new book, Us: Getting Past You & Me to Build a More Loving Relationship is a New York Times bestseller.

Terry’s Relational Life Institute offers training for therapists and workshops for couples and individuals.

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Want to hear five chapters from the audiobook Fierce Intimacy by Terry Real? Listen here — it will help you identify both your and your partner’s losing strategies in relationships and help you move from disharmony to repair.


What was your favorite quote or lesson from this episode? Please let me know in the comments.

SELECTED LINKS FROM THE EPISODE

  • Connect with Terry Real:

Website | Instagram | YouTube | Facebook

Books

Therapeutic Approaches & Modalities

Core RLT Concepts & Frameworks

  • Three Parts of the Human Psyche (RLT Model):
    • Wise Adult (prefrontal cortex, choosing part)
    • Wounded Child (flooded, emotional part)
    • Adaptive Child (kid’s version of an adult, automatic/knee-jerk responses, self-protection)

General Psychological & Relational Concepts

Organizations & Institutions

  • Al-Anon: Support group for families of alcoholics.
  • The Meadows: Treatment center where Pia Mellody worked.
  • Sounds True: Publisher of Terry Real’s Fierce Intimacy audio program.

Movies & Shows

People

  • Peter Attia: Doctor, author, friend of Tim Ferriss, mentioned in relation to male depression and his book Outlive.
  • Kevin Rose: Friend of Tim Ferriss, mentioned in relation to couples therapy.
  • Belinda Berman: Terry Real’s wife, a family therapist, coined “relational heroism.”
  • Gregory Bateson: Anthropologist, influential in family therapy, husband of Margaret Mead, known for concept of “humankind’s epistemological error.”
  • Margaret Mead: Anthropologist, wife of Gregory Bateson.
  • Edward Tronick: Infant observational researcher, known for the “harmony, disharmony, and repair” rhythm in relationships.
  • T. Berry Brazelton: Pediatrician and researcher, worked alongside Tronick.
  • Sigmund Freud: The father of psychoanalysis.
  • James Framo: Considered a father of couple’s therapy.
  • Esther Perel: Therapist, mentioned as working with Peter Attia.
  • Pia Mellody: Therapist, mentor to Terry Real, influential in 12-step community, associated with The Meadows, concepts like “one up, one down.”
  • Riane Eisler: Scholar, author, known for concepts like “power over vs. power with.”
  • Carol Gilligan: Psychologist, ethicist, known for work on gender studies (e.g., “the binary,” “no voice without relationship”).
  • Olga Silverstein: Therapist, known for “the halving process” (splitting human qualities by gender).
  • Keith Richards: Guitar hero.
  • Richard “Dick” Schwartz: Founder of Internal Family Systems (IFS) therapy.
  • Adolf Hitler: The gold standard of human villainy.
  • Erik Erikson: Child psychoanalyst.
  • Elon Musk: Mentioned as an example in a discussion about aspirational masculinity vs. relational well-being.
  • James Gilligan: Psychiatrist, author of Violence, worked with criminally insane.
  • Sam Harris: Neuroscientist, author, podcaster (mentioned for his meditation app).
  • Mahatma Gandhi: Political ethicist who led the campaign for India’s independence from British rule.
  • Martin Luther King Jr.: Civil rights champion.
  • Raymond Chandler: Noir author (The Big Sleep).
  • Sam Spade: Fictional detective from Raymond Chandler’s work.
  • Humphrey Bogart: Actor.
  • Lauren Bacall: Actress.

Relevant Resources

SHOW NOTES

  • [00:00:00] Start.
  • [00:05:51] The pumpernickel story.
  • [00:09:44] Wise adult, wounded child, and adaptive child.
  • [00:11:25] Relational mindfulness.
  • [00:12:11] Remembering love.
  • [00:13:29] Why do we remain loyal to bad relationships?
  • [00:16:58] The RLT stance on taking a position as a therapist.
  • [00:18:46] Objectivity battles.
  • [00:24:11] Entering into compassionate curiosity about your partner’s subjective experience.
  • [00:29:40] Normal marital hatred.
  • [00:34:19] Taking the first steps toward repair.
  • [00:37:03] Empathizing with someone whose reality doesn’t match yours.
  • [00:39:45] Should you stay or should you go? Understanding relational reckoning.
  • [00:43:41] Leveraging a resistant partner toward therapy.
  • [00:46:03] The preconditions that must be addressed before RLT can be effective.
  • [00:48:37] Understanding covert depression in men.
  • [00:52:52] Determining underlying depression.
  • [00:54:36] Favored modalities for working with trauma.
  • [00:55:04] Parsing the patriarchy.
  • [00:59:35] Taking care of your relationship’s biosphere without being codependent.
  • [01:03:23] Terry’s prescription for overcoming my own faulty childhood templates.
  • [01:07:05] Pondering gender expectations and expressions.
  • [01:13:06] Were Terry’s distinctly different boys raised similarly?
  • [01:15:05] A good Morani vs. a great Morani.
  • [01:16:53] The greatest achievement of Terry’s life.
  • [01:18:44] Advice for people who want to be better parents than the ones they had.
  • [01:21:17] The typical format of Terry’s men’s group therapy.
  • [01:23:56] Full-respect living, group guidelines, and boundaries.
  • [01:25:07] Comparing and contrasting Relational Life Therapy (RLT) with Internal Family Systems (IFS).
  • [01:27:54] Modern relationship challenges — from polyamory to monogamy.
  • [01:29:53] The research is clear: Humans are born to be intimate.
  • [01:32:16] Toxic femininity and the new world order.
  • [01:34:40] Relational empowerment vs. individual empowerment.
  • [01:35:45] One up, one down.
  • [01:37:50] From grandiosity to baseline: Relational joy vs. gratification.
  • [01:43:06] How to learn more about Terry’s work.
  • [01:45:16] Recommended reading.
  • [01:49:09] Terry’s billboard.
  • [01:49:34] Parting thoughts.

MORE TERRY REAL QUOTES FROM THE INTERVIEW

“A boy’s question of the world is ‘What do you got for me?’ A man’s question of the world is ‘What’s needed here?'”
— Terry Real

“Family pathology rolls from generation to generation like a fire in the woods taking down everything in its path until one person in one generation has the courage to turn and face the flames. That person brings peace to their ancestors and spares the children that follow.”
— Terry Real

“Have the courage to move beyond the defaults you were handed, and do it with help.”
— Terry Real

“Part of the reason why we don’t change is we’re loyal to the relationships that we learn how to be screwed up in. And it feels odd. I say we’re immigrants. We leave the old country and the old people behind.”
— Terry Real

“Enter into compassionate curiosity about your partner’s subjective experience. They’re nuts? Okay, but find out what kind of nut they are.”
— Terry Real

“Repair is a one-way street. … If you have a disgruntled partner, you are at their service. … Somebody comes to the customer service window and says, ‘My microwave doesn’t work.’ They don’t want to hear you say, ‘Well, my toaster doesn’t work.’ They don’t want your excuses. Fix the goddamn microwave. … Put yourself aside and tend to them.”
— Terry Real

“Boys and men get depressed because of what I call normal boyhood trauma under patriarchy. We are taught at three, four, five years old to deny our vulnerability, to disconnect from our feelings, to disconnect from others, all in the name of autonomy. We cut off half of our humanity, the feelings, the vulnerability, connection, really, in some ways, the most rich, nourishing parts of what it means to be a human. And that cutoff, which is imposed on boys, that cutoff is traumatic. And it also renders you isolated and lonely. So there’s a lot of trauma. That trauma becomes depression, that depression becomes acting out or self-medication. And if you really want to heal someone, you hit all three layers. First the defenses, then the depression, then the childhood trauma.”
— Terry Real

“Moving men, women, non-binary folk into true intimacy is synonymous with moving them beyond traditional gender roles, beyond patriarchy. Men have to move into vulnerability and open their hearts. Women have to move into assertion with love — not with harshness, but with love. And doing that on both sides moves beyond anything that this culture teaches us. It’s pioneer work.”
— Terry Real

“It absolutely kills me when people describe my work as ‘Terry’s trying to feminize men.’ No, I want whole human beings. I want smart, sexy, competent women. I want powerful, big-hearted, compassionate men. We don’t need to halve ourselves in compliance to the world order. We can be whole.”
— Terry Real

“There’s a saying: ‘Therapists are people who need to be in therapy 40 hours a week.’ I became a professional therapist to heal myself and then I became a family therapist to learn how to have a relationship.”
— Terry Real

“Not being intimate is as bad for your body as smoking a pack and a half of cigarettes a day. This is hard, black and white research. We are born to be intimate. Moving beyond traditional gender roles is the only way to get there. So stop whining, stand up, and learn a few relational skills. It’s good for you, it’s good for your body, you’ll live longer, it’s good for your marriage, and it’s good for your children.”
— Terry Real

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“如果这件事很容易,会是什么样子?”——哈佛商学院的一次对话 || “What might this look like if it were easy?” — A Conversation at Harvard Business School

2025-05-09 03:52:04


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哈佛商学院访谈:蒂姆·费里斯的创业与人生智慧

本文是哈佛商学院学生对蒂姆·费里斯(Tim Ferriss)的访谈记录,内容涵盖了其创业历程、人生哲学以及应对压力和心理健康的方法。

核心观点:

  • 身份多元化: 费里斯提倡身份多元化,即在生活中培养多个独立的成长领域,避免将自我价值完全依赖于单一目标(如创业)。这有助于应对创业中的风险和挫折。他认为这与领域精通并不冲突,两者相辅相成。

  • 对年轻人的建议: 他建议年轻人避免盲目追逐热门行业(如AI),关注发展迅速但未被广泛关注的领域;不要被“广泛涉猎后选择专业领域”的建议误导,除非有明确的退出计划。他还强调了冥想、冷暴露疗法、TMS(经颅磁刺激)等方法在维护心理健康方面的作用,并建议关注饮食对精神健康的影响。

  • 成功秘诀: 费里斯认为其成功源于长期规划和持续学习,注重项目带来的长期学习、技能提升和人际关系积累,而非短期回报。

  • 哈佛商学院学生的建议: 他建议哈佛商学院的学生不要盲目相信自己的想法,要保持批判性思维。

具体内容概要:

访谈中,费里斯分享了他哈佛商学院案例研究的经历,并回答了关于身份多元化、职业规划、心理健康管理以及成功秘诀等问题。他详细阐述了应对压力和心理健康问题的多种方法,包括冥想、冷暴露疗法、TMS以及迷幻药辅助疗法(需谨慎,并咨询专业人士)。他还建议关注“代谢精神病学”和饮食对精神健康的影响。最后,他建议年轻人选择发展迅速但未被广泛关注的领域,并强调长期规划和持续学习的重要性。

总而言之,此次访谈提供了费里斯关于创业、人生规划和心理健康管理的宝贵经验和建议,值得年轻一代借鉴。


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Harvard Business School (HBS) reached out last year to create a case study on my entrepreneurial journey, which tracks me from childhood to the current day. The case study, titled “Tim Ferriss: What Might This Look Like If It Were Easy?” is roughly 40 pages, and you can buy it for $11.95 here. I don’t earn a penny. The whole experience culminated in two classes at HBS in Professor Satchu’s “Founder Mindset” course.

Following one of the classes, student Jay Bhandari interviewed me for the “Between Two Classes” series at The Harbus, a publication by Harvard Business School students, who kindly gave permission to share it with you here.

I hope you find something below useful.

In a Q&A with your fans, you talked about the value of identity diversification. This approach is antithetical to advice we often get to commit and focus on a domain. How do you reconcile those two competing philosophies?

I think they complement each other rather than compete. Identity diversification simply means cultivating multiple, independent areas of growth in your life where you can chart progress. This is engineered so that your self-worth isn’t entirely dependent on one thing, such as the regular ups and downs of your own startup. Being overinvested gets a lot of media play and X threads, but there’s a nasty survivorship bias at work. I’ve seen dozens of founders implode because their “startup as self-worth” metrics went sideways for a few months. I prefer an approach with more margin of safety, and it’s entirely compatible with domain mastery. For instance, you could very well spend 40 to 80 hours per week on your startup, but if you supplement that with indoor rock climbing, weight training, chess club, or something else that has its own metrics for growth, even if new regulations or a competitor tank your startup for a short stretch, you can still offset the blow with progress outside of the office. It’s cheap psychological insurance. I think of identity diversification as a huge competitive advantage in games that depend on endurance. At the highest levels, that’s pretty much everything. If Michael Jordan could afford to play copious amounts of golf and poker, you can afford to have side interests.

Is there anything about your life you wish you had focused on sooner? If you could spend time with 28-year-old you, what would you tell him?

To my younger self: meditate twice daily—10 minutes is plenty—and get accelerated TMS as soon as it’s ready for showtime. See my other answers for elaboration. I’d probably also share an embroidered quote I bought at a thrift shop in Marfa, Texas: “Today is the tomorrow you worried about yesterday.”

What do you think young ambitious people are over- and under-indexed on?

I think HBS students are over-indexed on buying the implicit investment banking and management consulting pitch of something like “get broad exposure to industries and then you can pick your lane and do anything!” If you’re non-technical and stay in either of those for more than a few years, the odds of you leaving to start your own startup (outside of finance or consulting) is roughly the same as the likelihood of a five- to 10-year entrepreneur joining investment banking or consulting. In other words, low. I’ve seen this play out 100+ times. Sure, there are some exceptions, but I wouldn’t bet on being one of them unless you’ve committed to an exit plan before you enter those games. And if you want to be an edge case, find and study at least five to 10 edge cases you could emulate before you accept the job. If you can’t find them, that tells you something.

Many in the HBS, Type-A crowd are no stranger to stress, anxiety, and depression. What are tips, mantras, and systems you’ve developed for managing your mental health when you’re actively in a dark place?

To be clear, I’m not a doctor and don’t play one on the internet. The “actively in a dark place” makes this a very dicey question. That said, having spent some time in dark places, especially in college, I’ll share a few things that I’ve seen work. Please do your own homework and speak with your medical professionals.

For acute suicidal ideation, I would call the 988 helpline first and potentially consider a series of ketamine infusions/injections per the protocols suggested by John Krystal, MD, professor of neuroscience at Yale University. Ketamine can be very addictive, and I’ve seen people unravel their lives with it, but in dangerous self-harm circumstances, it can be a life-saving intervention. It effectively pauses the incessant thought loops driving the desperation. For more of my thoughts on suicide, including my description of a close brush in 1999, read tim.blog/suicide.

If we’re talking about general prevention and self-care, I would highly suggest daily cold exposure (e.g., I do 3–5 minutes in a 40–45° F bath daily) and short meditation sessions 2x/daily (e.g., Transcendental Meditation for 20 minutes twice a day or The Way App with Henry Shukman for two 10-minute sessions). I typically meditate immediately upon waking and then again before dinner or bed. This is less than 30 minutes a day. Do your pre-hab, and you’ll need less rehab.

If you have a history of trauma, see tim.blog/trauma for a list of resources that I and designer Debbie Millman have found effective. Trigger warning: it’s not a fun read, but it might be helpful for some. Your mileage may vary.

For treatment-resistant depression, I would consider accelerated TMS (transcranial magnetic stimulation), à la the SAINT protocol co-developed by Dr. Nolan Williams at Stanford University. BrainsWay and MagVenture both make compelling devices with different approaches. I firmly believe TMS and other forms of brain stimulation can have near-immediate and durable effects that rival the effects of psychedelics in outcomes. I say that as someone who’s funded a lot of the science related to psychedelics since 2015 through my non-profit, Saisei Foundation.

Once legal, and assuming you have no family history of schizophrenia, borderline personality disorder, psychosis, etc., I might suggest investigating various psychedelic-assisted therapies for depression (e.g., psilocybin) on a once-annual cadence, but there are more known risks than with brain stimulation like TMS. For instance, and I’ve seen this firsthand, combining ayahuasca and SSRIs increases the risk of serotonin syndrome, which can be life-threatening in severe cases. Regard any of these compounds with the same respect you would treat major neurosurgery. For more education on the science, applications, and possible mechanisms of action, I suggest the research of Dr. Gül Dolen and Dr. Nolan Williams, as well as the Netflix miniseries based on Michael Pollan’s book of the same name, How to Change Your Mind. The MDMA and psilocybin/mushroom episodes are particularly strong.

Last but not least, don’t ignore diet. Read up on “metabolic psychiatry” and Dr. Chris Palmer, Assistant Professor of Psychiatry at Harvard Medical School. Ketosis and other interventions can produce nearly miraculous results for a number of psychiatric conditions, including those that are strongly contraindicated with psychedelics, like schizophrenia.

If you were starting over today in 2025 and were in your late twenties, what would you be doing?

I would be looking for fast-growing industries that are unsexy and under the radar, and I’d aim to join a startup of fewer than 100 people, where I’d be able to watch deal-makers making deals and making decisions. In contrast, if you’re trying to create an AI startup like everyone else, it’s going to be a crabs in a bucket scenario for 99% of the people involved. Sure, you might be the super crab 1%, but I generally prefer less crowded spaces, where you can typically get more regular interaction with the A+ players.

Let’s take luck out of the picture. What skills, habits, mantras, or areas of personal growth would you most attribute your success to?

Playing the long game and not being in a rush. I choose projects and a lot of investments based on the learning, skill development, and relationships that will transcend them. If you allow such things to snowball over time, eventually the critical mass makes success almost inevitable. This might sound hand-wavy, but you can approach it systematically. Go to tim.blog/mba or Google “Tim Ferriss real-world MBA” for some angel-investing examples of how I’ve applied this. This isn’t the only approach I’ve seen work for “success” (dangerous word, that!), but it seems replicable.

If you could put a message on a billboard that reaches HBS students, what would it be?

I would borrow from Dr. BJ Miller, a hospice physician who’s helped thousands of people to navigate death, whose answer was “Don’t believe everything that you think.”


Reprinted with permission from The Harbus News Corporation. All rights reserved.     

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四小时工作周仍然有效的工具——拒绝的艺术和低信息量饮食 (#809) || The 4-Hour Workweek Tools That Still Work — The Art of Refusal and The Low-Information Diet (#809)

2025-05-01 22:22:35


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《每周工作四小时》中经久有效的工具:拒绝的艺术和低信息饮食法 (播客#809)

本期播客以蒂姆·费里斯的成名作《每周工作四小时》为主题,重点介绍书中关于“拒绝的艺术”和“低信息饮食法”的两个章节。 播音员为Ray Porter。 节目中,费里斯探讨了书中哪些内容经受住了时间的考验,依然有效。 这两个章节的核心在于如何保护宝贵的注意力,分别通过拒绝他人请求和拒绝过量信息来实现。

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节目最后提供了收听链接(Apple Podcasts, Spotify等),并列出了书中提到的工具、资源和人物,以及详细的时间轴和节目笔记。 这些工具涵盖了提高效率和减少干扰的各个方面,例如:筛选邮件、安排会议、批量处理任务以及使用各种软件工具来管理时间和信息。 节目鼓励听众进行为期一周的媒体禁食,并养成批判性地思考信息价值的习惯。 总而言之,本期播客的核心在于如何通过有效管理时间和信息来提高效率和生活质量,并重温了《每周工作四小时》中一些至今仍有价值的策略。


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This time around, we have a bit of a different format, featuring the book that started it all for me, The 4-Hour Workweek. Readers and listeners often ask me what I would change or update, but an equally interesting question is: what wouldn’t I change? What stands the test of time and hasn’t lost any potency? This episode features two of the most important chapters from the audiobook of The 4-Hour Workweek. The chapters push you to defend your scarce attention—one by saying no to people, the other by saying no to excess information.

The chapter is narrated by the great voice actor Ray Porter. If you are interested in checking out the rest of the audiobook, which is produced and copyrighted by Blackstone Publishing, you can find it on AudibleAppleGoogleSpotifyDownpour.com, or wherever you find your favorite audiobooks.

Please enjoy!

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The 4-Hour Workweek Tools That Still Work — The Art of Refusal and The Low-Information Diet

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Want to hear another episode that features content straight from The 4-Hour Workweek? Listen here for the chapter preceding this one that includes tools and frameworks that I use to this day, including Pareto’s Law and Parkinson’s Law.


What was your favorite quote or lesson from this episode? Please let me know in the comments.

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Show Notes

  • [00:00:00] Start.
  • [00:07:24] The low-information diet.
  • [00:09:45] Cultivating selective ignorance.
  • [00:14:32] How to read 200% faster in 10 minutes.
  • [00:17:09] Questions and actions: Go on an immediate one-week media fast.
  • [00:21:05] Develop the habit of asking yourself, “Will I definitely use this information for something immediate and important?”
  • [00:22:03] Practice the art of nonfinishing.
  • [00:22:49] Comfort challenge: Get phone numbers.
  • [00:25:14] Interrupting interruption and the art of refusal.
  • [00:28:16] Not all evils are created equal.
  • [00:29:36] Time wasters: Become an ignoramus.
  • [00:30:09] Limit email consumption and production.
  • [00:33:05] Screen incoming and limit outgoing phone calls.
  • [00:36:10] Master the art of refusal and avoiding meetings.
  • [00:38:33] In order of preference, steer people toward email, phone, and in-person meetings.
  • [00:38:59] Respond to voicemail via email whenever possible.
  • [00:40:50] Meetings should only be held to make decisions about a predefined situation, not to define the problem.
  • [00:41:53] If you absolutely cannot stop a meeting or call from happening, define the end time.
  • [00:43:00] The cubicle is your temple — don’t permit casual visitors.
  • [00:44:24] Use the Puppy Dog Close to help your superiors and others develop the no-meeting habit.
  • [00:46:48] Time consumers: Batch and do not falter.
  • [00:50:05] How much is your time worth?
  • [00:50:45] Estimate the amount of time you will save by grouping similar tasks and batching them.
  • [00:51:14] Determine how much problems cost to fix in each period.
  • [00:53:02] Empowerment failure: Rules and readjustment.
  • [00:59:44] Questions and actions: Create systems to limit your availability.
  • [01:01:55] Batch activities to limit setup cost and provide more time for dreamline milestones.
  • [01:02:25] Set or request autonomous rules and guidelines with occasional review of results.
  • [01:03:18] Tools for eliminating paper distractions, capturing everything.
  • [01:05:28] Tools for screening and avoiding unwanted calls.
  • [01:07:12] Tools for scheduling without back-and-forth.
  • [01:08:23] Tools for choosing the best email batching times.
  • [01:09:13] Tools for emailing without entering the inbox black hole.
  • [01:10:20] Tools for preventing web browsing/internet use.
  • [01:11:10] Comfort challenge: revisit the terrible twos.
  • [01:12:07] Lifestyle design in action.

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斯蒂芬·韦斯特——从高中辍学生到热门播客,从卖超市袜子到以阅读哲学为生(第808期) || Stephen West — From High School Dropout to Hit Podcast, and from Stocking Groceries to Reading Philosophy for a Living (#808)

2025-04-24 21:58:09


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斯蒂芬·韦斯特:从高中辍学生到热门播客主持人

本文介绍了斯蒂芬·韦斯特 (Stephen West) 的访谈,他是一位播客主持人,其节目《Philosophize This!》致力于以通俗易懂的方式讲解哲学。

韦斯特分享了他不寻常的人生经历:高中辍学后做过仓库工人,最终通过自学和对哲学的热爱,创办了成功的播客节目。他认为哲学并非一套教条,而是一种“常识的颠覆”和“重新思考的体操”,帮助人们更好地理解自身思想。

访谈中,韦斯特重点阐述了尼采的“爱命运”(amor fati)概念,即完全接纳现实,无论好坏,并从中找到意义。这并非逃避痛苦,而是积极肯定生活本身。他还谈到了哲学的价值在于提出更好的问题,并鼓励人们通过哲学思考来改变看待世界的方式。

此外,访谈还涉及韦斯特的个人哲学观,他受到尼采、克尔凯郭尔和西蒙娜·薇依等哲学家的影响,并强调了“专注”的重要性。他认为,追求意义比追求效率更重要,并分享了他对哲学未来发展方向的思考。

最后,文章列出了访谈中提到的书籍、哲学概念以及其他相关资源,方便读者进一步学习和探索。


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“Nietzsche said ‘amor fati’ is how he’s going to live his life henceforth. Everything he’s going to say yes to. He will be a yes-sayer, is what he says. This is an affirmative stance towards reality where, even if things are bad or uncomfortable or horrible, we’re going to affirm reality as it is and not idealize it into something that it’s not. It’s very common for people to do, even when they’re not religious, to think of reality as though it owes you something. But to affirm reality fully is to accept the good, the bad. It’s not to rationalize about it and try to make excuses for it or frame your suffering in a way where it makes it go away. To truly affirm life and reality is just to be in it and to have life itself be enough, truly.”
— Stephen West

Stephen West (@iamstephenwest) is a father, husband, and host of the Philosophize This! podcast. He attempts to explain, translate, and humanize philosophy in a way that doesn’t ever aim to tell people what to think but to invite them to better understand their own thoughts by exploring alternatives.

Please enjoy!

Listen to the episode on Apple PodcastsSpotifyOvercastPodcast AddictPocket CastsCastboxYouTube MusicAmazon MusicAudible, or on your favorite podcast platform. The transcript of this episode can be found here. Transcripts of all episodes can be found here.

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Stephen West — From High School Dropout to Hit Podcast, and from Stocking Groceries to Reading Philosophy for a Living

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Want to hear another podcast episode focusing on philosophy and the nature of reality? Listen to my conversation with Galileo’s Error author Philip Goff, in which we discussed panpsychism, quantum consciousness, Integrated Information Theory, mystical traditions within Christianity and Islam, psychedelics and numinous experiences, the matter of matter, and much more.


What was your favorite quote or lesson from this episode? Please let me know in the comments.

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  • Connect with Stephen West/Philosophize This!:

Website | Patreon | Twitter | Facebook | YouTube

The transcript of this episode can be found here. Transcripts of all episodes can be found here.

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Philosophical Concepts

  • Absurdism: Philosophical concept associated with Camus that addresses the conflict between the human search for meaning and the universe’s meaninglessness.
  • Amor Fati: (“Love of Fate”) Philosophical concept, notably used by Nietzsche, that involves embracing all aspects of one’s life, including hardships and suffering.
  • Assemblage: Deleuzian concept describing dynamic compositions of heterogeneous elements that form temporary functional wholes through processes of coding and territorialization.
  • Attention: Concept from Simone Weil involving self-emptying focus on others, described as a form of waiting and receptivity rather than active concentration.
  • Conceptual Engineering: Metaphor for philosophy (Simon Blackburn) involving the analysis, assessment and improvement of concepts.
  • Conceptual Tracings: Idea of forming new ways to see reality through the development and refinement of concepts.
  • Concepts vs. Machines: Deleuzian distinction between abstract thought forms and functional assemblages that produce effects.
  • Cynicism: Hellenistic school of philosophy focused on living virtuously in accordance with nature and rejecting conventional desires.
  • Deliberate Practice: Focused approach to skill development requiring specific goals, feedback, and concentrated effort.
  • Disruption of Common Sense: Description of philosophy’s function to challenge accepted ways of thinking and unexamined assumptions.
  • Divine: Concept related to ultimate reality/God and the transcendent qualities that exist beyond ordinary experience.
  • Epistemology: Branch of philosophy focused on the theory of knowledge, examining how we know what we know and the justification of belief.
  • Ethics: Branch of philosophy concerning moral principles, values, and the concepts of right and wrong conduct.
  • Epicureanism: Hellenistic school of philosophy founded by Epicurus that emphasized the pursuit of pleasure (defined as absence of pain) and tranquility.
  • Fascism: Political philosophy/system characterized by ultranationalism, authoritarian power, and suppression of opposition.
  • Freedom: Philosophical concept concerning the ability to act according to one’s will without constraint or coercion.
  • Lucid Revolt: Camus’s concept of rebelling against the Absurd through conscious recognition and defiance without false hope.
  • Marxism: Political/economic philosophy developed by Karl Marx that analyzes class relationships, historical materialism, and critique of capitalism.
  • Mysticism: Approach to spirituality emphasizing direct experience of ultimate reality beyond ordinary understanding.
  • Narcissism: Psychological/philosophical concept involving excessive self-love, self-centeredness, and lack of empathy for others.
  • Natural Philosophy: Historical precursor to modern science focused on understanding nature through philosophical inquiry.
  • New Atheism: 21st-century movement critical of religion, characterized by scientific rationalism and public criticism of religious belief.
  • New Rich: Concept from The 4-Hour Workweek describing people who prioritize lifestyle design over traditional wealth accumulation.
  • Numinous: Concept relating to awe-inspiring spiritual/divine quality that evokes both fascination and fear.
  • Out of Africa Theory: The most widely accepted model explaining the origin and spread of modern humans.
  • Phenomenology: Philosophical movement focusing on structures of experience and consciousness from the first-person perspective.
  • Philosophical Fiction: Literary genre that explores philosophical ideas through narrative storytelling.
  • Philosophy: The discipline itself, concerned with fundamental questions about knowledge, reality, existence, and values.
  • Philosophy of Language: Branch of philosophy examining the nature of language, meaning, and the relationship between language and reality.
  • Philosophy of Mind: Branch of philosophy exploring the nature of mind, consciousness, and their relationship to the physical world.
  • Presocratics: Earliest Western philosophers who investigated nature and reality before Socrates, laying foundations for philosophical inquiry.
  • Religious Phenomenology: Study of religious experience from a phenomenological perspective, focusing on how the sacred appears to consciousness.
  • Sanbo Zen: A specific lineage/style of Zen Buddhism emphasizing direct experience of enlightenment through meditation.
  • Skepticism: Hellenistic school of philosophy questioning the possibility of certainty in knowledge and suspending judgment.
  • Stoicism: Hellenistic school of philosophy focused on virtue ethics, emotional regulation, and accepting what is beyond one’s control.
  • Sufism: Mystical branch of Islam emphasizing direct personal experience of God through practices like meditation and poetry.
  • Transcendentalism: A literary, philosophical, religious, and political movement of the early 19th century.
  • Zen: School of Mahayana Buddhism emphasizing meditation, intuition, and direct experience of reality beyond conceptual thinking.

SHOW NOTES

  • [00:00:00] So it begins.
  • [00:06:11] Stephen’s challenging childhood — from San Diego to Child Protective Services.
  • [00:07:55] How Stephen supported himself after dropping out of school at 16.
  • [00:09:37] The physical wear and tear of warehouse work (and unexpected upsides of the job).
  • [00:11:48] How Stephen discovered philosophy through googling “wisest person in history.”
  • [00:14:07] Defining philosophy as a “disruption of common sense” and “gym for rethinking.”
  • [00:16:06] The 4-Hour Workweek as a philosophical text.
  • [00:19:27] A philosophical shift around Ralph Waldo Emerson.
  • [00:22:18] The transition from warehouse work to starting Philosophize This! with friendly encouragement.
  • [00:27:47] Authenticity as the secret sauce to Philosophize This!
  • [00:32:24] The discomfort of comparing old episodes with new.
  • [00:34:15] The current state of Philosophize This!: 225 episodes, Patreon, ads, upcoming book deal.
  • [00:37:18] The value of focusing on content quality before monetization.
  • [00:38:44] Most popular Philosophize This! episodes thus far.
  • [00:40:00] Philosophize This! episodes I’d like to hear.
  • [00:41:20] Thinking of philosophy as a verb, not a noun.
  • [00:46:44] The concept of amor fati (love of fate) and its practical application.
  • [00:48:41] Wittgenstein’s ladder as a metaphor for philosophical growth.
  • [00:51:36] Stephen’s perspective on philosophy as a process rather than a set of protocols.
  • [00:54:43] Philosophies that have personal meaning to Stephen: Nietzsche, Kierkegaard, Simone Weil.
  • [00:56:40] Simone Weil’s concept of attention and self-emptying.
  • [00:59:26] Stephen’s approach to simplicity and sacrificing efficiency for meaning.
  • [01:04:07] Valuing time and playing the long game.
  • [01:06:01] How philosophy lives “in the shadow” of what we give credit to (science, psychology).
  • [01:08:31] The value of philosophy in generating better questions.
  • [01:10:06] Stephen’s future plans: possibly writing philosophical fiction.
  • [01:19:05] Stephen’s billboard.
  • [01:21:41] Recommendations for getting started with philosophy.
  • [01:24:29] Gilles Deleuze and concepts as machines.
  • [01:26:55] Why do we believe what we believe?
  • [01:30:40] Stephen’s evolving relationship with religion after starting as a New Atheist.
  • [01:32:33] Exploring mysticism and religious phenomenology.
  • [01:37:51] Parting thoughts.

MORE STEPHEN WEST QUOTES FROM THE INTERVIEW

“Why do we need old men yelling at each other about unverifiable speculation? Why do you need philosophy? And what that point misses is that philosophy is how we got to the point where we’re looking at the world in the way we do now.”
— Stephen West

“I don’t give advice, because if a person is asking for advice, typically, they’re not the person that really takes the advice, so it’s almost always a waste of your time. But if you’re the one that genuinely takes advice, and it’s ironically me giving you advice to be the one that takes advice—if you can do that, if you can manage that, then you won’t need advice here in six months; you’ll be the one giving it.”
— Stephen West

“The highest level of abstraction in any field is going to be philosophy. If you’re somebody well-educated in a field, at the top of your field, in order to make progress in that field, you have to subvert the existing set of protocols and assumptions, axiomatically, that are going on in that field. To move the field forward, you have to be doing philosophy.”
— Stephen West

“I really do sacrifice efficiency for meaning pretty often.”
— Stephen West

“You don’t need to be a genius; you just need to be saying something that resonates with other people.”
— Stephen West

“Simon Blackburn … describes philosophy as conceptual engineering. It’s a great metaphor. If an engineer looks at a bridge and they know about the raw materials of the bridge and they know how they connect to other parts of the bridge and everything, if you can show an engineer one bridge, a particular bridge, and he’d be like, ‘Well, it holds weight over here, but if we put weight over on this side, it’s going to all start crumbling down.’ Philosophers do this with world views.”
— Stephen West

“A way I’ve heard [philosophy] described is it’s the disruption of common sense. I mean, what is looking at the world at all? It’s an approximation. We are works in progress. I look at the world one way for a while, and everybody knows what it’s like to change the way that you see everything in the world. I just think that philosophy is the method of doing that.”
— Stephen West

“Nietzsche said ‘amor fati’ is how he’s going to live his life henceforth. Everything he’s going to say yes to. He will be a yes-sayer, is what he says. This is an affirmative stance towards reality where, even if things are bad or uncomfortable or horrible, we’re going to affirm reality as it is and not idealize it into something that it’s not. It’s very common for people to do, even when they’re not religious, to think of reality as though it owes you something. But to affirm reality fully is to accept the good, the bad. It’s not to rationalize about it and to try to make excuses for it or frame your suffering in a way where it makes it go away. To truly affirm life and reality is just to be in it and to have life itself be enough, truly.”
— Stephen West

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里奇-巴顿如何将 Expedia 和 Zillow 从 0 美元发展到 350 亿美元--大胆的目标、挑衅式营销、拼字游戏命名以及强大的日常仪式 (#806) || How Rich Barton Built Expedia and Zillow from $0 to $35B — Audacious Goals, Provocation Marketing, Scrabble for Naming, and Powerful Daily Rituals (#806)

2025-04-18 00:46:36


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Rich Barton:从零到350亿美元打造Expedia和Zillow的秘诀

本文总结了Tim Ferriss播客采访Zillow联合创始人兼联席执行主席Rich Barton的访谈内容。访谈涵盖了Barton的职业生涯,包括在微软创立Expedia并将其成功分拆上市,以及与Lloyd Frink共同创立Zillow的经历。

核心要点:

  • 大胆的创业目标和“挑衅式营销”: Barton强调了设定宏伟目标和采用“挑衅式营销”(provocation marketing)策略的重要性。这种策略的核心在于推出具有争议性或引发强烈情感的功能,从而激发人们的讨论和关注,例如Zillow的Zestimate房屋估价功能。

  • Expedia和Zillow的成功经验: 访谈详细讲述了Barton创立和发展Expedia和Zillow的历程,包括团队建设、产品创新、应对市场挑战以及公司命名策略(他分享了自己独特的命名规则,例如偏好使用罕见字母和简洁的词语)。

  • 领导力与公司文化: Barton分享了他对领导力的看法,强调了培养创新文化、大胆尝试以及及时调整团队的重要性。他认为,一个好的领导者应该能够识别并解决团队中存在的绩效问题,并帮助员工找到更适合他们的位置。

  • 董事会角色和个人生活: 访谈还涉及Barton担任董事会成员的经验,以及他如何平衡工作和家庭生活,保持身心健康。他分享了自己的日常习惯、健身理念以及与家人相处的时光。

其他信息:

访谈还涉及到Barton在其他公司(如Glassdoor和Avvo)的创业经历,以及他对公司命名、市场竞争、远程办公等方面的思考。 访谈中提到了许多公司、产品、书籍和人物,展现了Barton丰富的阅历和深刻的见解。 最后,访谈还提供了访谈节目的收听链接以及相关资源链接。


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“I’ve developed a pretty good playbook around what I would call provocation marketing. When you have a really provocative feature that you know people are going to feel emotional about one way or the other and they’re going to talk about it, you’re on to something.”
— Rich Barton

Rich Barton (@Rich_Barton) is the co-founder and co-executive chairman of Zillow, a company transforming how people buy, sell, rent, and finance homes. Rich has been a member of Zillow’s board since its inception in 2004 and has served as both its CEO and executive chairman. 

Before Zillow, Rich founded Expedia within Microsoft in 1994 and successfully spun the company off as a public company in 1999. He served as president, CEO, and board director of Expedia and later co-founded and served as non-executive chairman of Glassdoor. Rich was a venture partner at Benchmark Capital and continues to be a board director for Qurate, Stanford Board of Trustees, and Zillow Group.

Rich has been married to Sarah since 1993 and has three grown, kick-ass children, who couldn’t be more awesome and different. He loves to snowboard, surf, play tennis, golf, hike, and fish with his family and friends and has to spend an increasing amount of time keeping strong and fit in order to be so active.

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Institutions/Companies/Places

  • Zillow: Real estate marketplace company co-founded by Rich Barton and Lloyd Frink.
  • Expedia: Microsoft-originating travel technology company that went public under Rich’s leadership.
  • Glassdoor: Job/company review site co-founded by Rich Barton and Bob Hohman. Mentioned for its provocative data (salaries, CEO reviews) and “give to get” model.
  • CNBC: Rich’s favorite source of news because “business news is generally happy.”
  • Hyperice: Company making wellness/recovery products (like the Venom).
  • Marvel: New York City-based comic book publisher and media juggernaut.
  • Abercrombie & Fitch: American lifestyle retailer.
  • Four Seasons: Worldwide luxury hotel chain.
  • Microsoft: Multinational corporation and technology conglomerate — one of Rich’s first jobs out of college.
  • Egghead: Defunct software retail store chain. Rich’s first job involved getting MS-DOS 5 into Egghead.
  • Barnes & Noble: Company operating approximately 600 retail bookstores across the United States.
  • Borders: Once mighty, now defunct American bookselling chain.
  • Bear Stearns: American investment bank, securities trading, and brokerage firm that failed in 2008.
  • BCG (Boston Consulting Group): American global management consulting firm.
  • Alliance Consulting Group: Strategy consulting firm where Rich worked right out of college.
  • Stanford University: Highly selective, private research university.
  • Apple: American multinational corporation and technology company.
  • Patagonia: Retailer of outdoor clothing focused on environmental sustainability.
  • Disney: American multinational mass media and entertainment conglomerate.
  • Northwestern University: Private research university in Evanston, Illinois.
  • Prodigy: Early online service provider where Rich used Easy Sabre.
  • University of Washington: Research-intensive public university with a strong focus on STEM fields.
  • GE (General Electric): An American multinational conglomerate founded in 1892.
  • Honeywell: Publicly traded, multinational conglomerate corporation.
  • IAC (InterActiveCorp): Media and internet conglomerate founded by Barry Diller, acquired Expedia. Rich served on its board.
  • Gurney’s: Immerse yourself in coastal elegance and seaside charm at this iconic beach resort. Sorry, but day passes for locals no longer honored.
  • Italy: The 10th-largest country in Europe by area.
  • Idealab: Startup incubator founded by Bill Gross. Mentioned as potential origin place of the AdWords concept.
  • TCV (Technology Crossover Ventures): Venture capital firm, co-invested with Benchmark in Zillow’s A round.
  • Avvo: Online legal marketplace co-founded by Rich Barton and Mark Britton. Mentioned for rating attorneys and subsequent lawsuits (“provocation marketing”).
  • Sand Hill Road: This stretch of roadway serves as the home to firms that have funded some of the largest tech companies in the market.
  • Tripadvisor: Travel review site, used as a comparison/model for Avvo.
  • FBI (Federal Bureau of Investigation): Mentioned metaphorically in the Die Hard analogy regarding the Avvo launch strategy.
  • SEC (Securities and Exchange Commission): US government agency where Mark Britton worked.
  • ISS (Institutional Shareholder Services): Firm that rates public company boards/directors. Rich mentioned having low ratings but not caring.
  • Stripe: Financial technology company, mentioned as an example of a late-stage private company likely compensating directors well.
  • Automattic: Company founded by Matt Mullenweg (WordPress), known for its distributed workforce model.
  • Shopify: E-commerce platform company, mentioned as another example that handled the pandemic/remote work well.
  • MindHead: Fictional cult-like religion/organization from the movie Bowfinger.
  • Burning Man: A week-long, large-scale desert event focused on “community, art, self-expression, and self-reliance.”

Books and Written Works

Movies/TV Shows/Music

People

  • Eddy Cue: Apple executive mentioned in the context of Apple’s product “magic” (specifically Universal Control).
  • Sarah Barton: Rich’s wife, mentioned in relation to her residency match, the birth of their twins, and family decisions (moving to Italy, getting tattoos).
  • Brad Chase: Rich’s first significant boss at Microsoft. Encouraged him to take big swings, supported him despite the failure of the DOS for Dummies bundle project.
  • Leonard and Stephen Riggio: Mentioned in relation to Barnes & Noble leadership during the DOS for Dummies bundle project.
  • John Kilcullen: Creator of the For Dummies book series, met with Rich for the failed bundle project.
  • Nina Marton: Stanford engineering classmate who got a job at Microsoft first and encouraged Rich to join.
  • Michael Porter: Academic associated with competitive strategy concepts learned by Rich during his consulting stint.
  • Bill Gates: Co-founder of Microsoft. Mentioned specifically for greenlighting the internal venture that became Expedia and promising to consider spinning it out.
  • Steve Ballmer: CEO of Microsoft at the time Expedia was spun out.
  • Jack Welch: Chairman and CEO of General Electric (GE) between 1981 and 2001.
  • Greg Maffei: CFO of Microsoft, became Chairman of Expedia after the spin-out.
  • Barry Diller: Media executive, founder of IAC. Acquired Expedia. Was Rich’s chairman for a period.
  • Dara Khosrowshahi: Worked for Barry Diller/IAC, key strategist involved in the Expedia acquisition. Later became CEO of Expedia after Rich.
  • Ermelinda Campani: Ran the Stanford program in Florence, helped Rich’s family when they moved there.
  • Lloyd Frink: Rich’s Stanford classmate, Expedia colleague, and co-founder of Zillow.
  • Bill Gurley: Has been a general partner at Benchmark for more than 20 years.
  • Garrett Camp: Implied co-founder/early figure at Uber. Mentioned self-funding early stages.
  • Travis Kalanick: Implied co-founder/early figure at Uber.
  • Jason Calacanis: Implied early figure/investor at Uber.
  • Bill Gross: Founder of Idealab, mentioned in relation to the potential origin of the AdWords concept.
  • David Beitel: CTO at Expedia and Zillow.
  • Walt Mossberg: Influential tech columnist who reviewed Zillow favorably at launch, causing a surge in traffic. Compared to Oprah in terms of influence at the time.
  • Oprah Winfrey: Iconic American talk show host, television producer, actress, author, and media proprietor.
  • Amy Bohutinsky: Head of Marketing at Zillow during launch, credited with the “lemonade out of lemons” approach to the launch day crash and the data-driven PR strategy.
  • Bob Hohman: Expedia colleague, co-founder of Glassdoor with Rich.
  • Mark Britton: Expedia colleague (former General Counsel), co-founder of Avvo with Rich.
  • Bruce Dunlevie: Venture capitalist at Benchmark Capital.
  • George Clooney: Actor mentioned regarding his role in the movie Up in the Air.
  • Chris Sacca: A mutual friend of ours.
  • Wile E. Coyote: If he catches you, you’re through.
  • Matt Mullenweg: Founder of Automattic (WordPress). Influenced Barton’s thinking on remote work (“Cloud HQ”) during the pandemic.
  • Mark Helprin: Author of fiction books including The Oceans and the Stars, Soldier of the Great War, A Winter’s Tale.
  • John Mearsheimer: Political scientist associated with “offensive realism,” mentioned in relation to Mark Helprin’s writing themes.
  • Haruki Murakami: Japanese author of magical realism fiction.
  • Neal Stephenson: Science fiction author (Snow Crash, Cryptonomicon, Termination Shock, Polostan).
  • Ted Chiang: Science fiction author of short story collections (Stories of Your Life and Others, Exhalation). His story was the basis for the movie Arrival.
  • Jeremy Renner: Actor mentioned for his role in Arrival.
  • Ken Liu: Science fiction/fantasy author (The Paper Menagerie).
  • Amor Towles: Author (Lincoln Highway) who formerly worked in finance.
  • Hugh Howey: Author mentioned in passing.
  • Brian Koppelman: Co-creator of Billions, co-writer of Rounders, host of The Moment podcast, discovered Tracy Chapman.
  • Tracy Chapman: Musician discovered by Brian Koppelman.
  • Eddie Murphy: Actor/comedian mentioned for his roles in Bowfinger.
  • Steve Martin: Actor/comedian mentioned for his role in Bowfinger.
  • Heather Graham: Actress mentioned for her role in Bowfinger.
  • Christiane King: Procreate tutorial instructor.

Concepts

  • Universal Control (Apple): Described as “magic” when Rich’s mouse moved seamlessly from Mac to iPad.
  • Anaconda Diet: Rich’s 12-egg strategy for getting his son to gain weight.
  • 640k Barrier: Technical limitation in early MS-DOS overcome by MS-DOS 5.
  • COGS (Cost of Goods Sold): Business term mentioned regarding the “DOS for Dummies” bundle cost.
  • Intrapreneurs: Individuals who act like entrepreneurs within a larger organization.Rich identifies with this and discusses protecting them.
  • Corporate Immune System: Metaphor for how large organizations can reject innovators.
  • Clients and Servers: Software architecture concept used by Rich as an analogy for dividing the world into service providers and builders.
  • Internet Bubble: a speculative bubble that developed following the popularization of the World Wide Web in 1991.
  • Competitive Strategy / Michael Porter Five Forces: Business strategy frameworks learned/referenced by Rich.
  • Conglomerate Discount: Financial concept where diversified companies are valued less than the sum of their parts.
  • Compensation-Accountability Disconnect: Issue Rich saw at Microsoft that the Expedia spin-out aimed to address (partly).
  • S-1: Document filed for an IPO (Initial Public Offering). Mentioned regarding Expedia’s IPO.
  • IPO (Initial Public Offering): Term for the first time a private company sells shares of its stock to the public on a stock exchange.
  • IPO Roadshow: Process of pitching a company to institutional investors before an IPO. Rich described his experience.
  • Zestimate: Zillow’s proprietary home valuation algorithm/feature. Key innovation and “provocation marketing” tool.
  • TAM (Total Addressable Market): Business concept discussed in relation to Uber’s market size perception.
  • AdWords (Google): Advertising platform/model admired by Rich and Frink, potentially inspired auction ideas for Zillow (which failed for housing). Mentioned potential origin from Overture/GoTo.com (Idealab).
  • Price Discovery: Economic concept, goal of Zillow’s early auction idea and later the Zestimate.
  • Vertical Integration (Google): Strategic concern for marketplaces relying on Google traffic, as Google enters their business areas (travel, reviews, etc.).
  • Super App (Zillow Strategy): Zillow’s long-term goal to be a one-stop integrated platform for renting/buying.
  • High Point Scrabble Letters (Z, X, Q): Used in Rich’s company naming strategy for distinctiveness.
  • Naming Rules (Rich’s): Prefer made-up words, rare letters (Z, X, Q), fewer syllables (2 ideal), evocative of positive things, potential verb use, double letters/palindromes.
  • Board of Directors Role: Discussed functions in private (coaching, strategy, recruiting) vs. public companies (shareholder representation, CEO hiring/firing, capital allocation). Discussed potential pitfalls (process focus, CYA, ISS ratings).
  • Cloud HQ / Cloud Headquarters: Rich’s term (influenced by Matt Mullenweg) for Zillow’s distributed/remote work model post-pandemic.
  • Offensive Realism (John Mearsheimer): Political science concept mentioned regarding Mark Helprin’s writing themes.
  • A&R (Artists and Repertoire): Music industry role (talent scouting/development), mentioned regarding Brian Koppelman’s past.
  • “Don’t Panic”: A phrase from The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy by Douglas Adams, often used as a general advice in challenging or unexpected situations.

Products/Brands/Services/Games

  • iPad: Apple tablet computer.
  • Pocari Sweat: Japanese electrolyte drink favored by Barton (recommended by his nutritionist).
  • Hyperice Venom: Heated vibrating back wrap used by Barton during his morning routine.
  • MS-DOS 5: Microsoft operating system Barton worked on early in his career.
  • Windows 95: Major Microsoft operating system release Barton worked on before moving to the consumer division.
  • Windows NT: A family of operating systems developed by Microsoft that use the “NT” (New Technology) core.
  • CD-ROM: Optical disc format, mentioned regarding multimedia products (Encarta) and the failed travel guide idea.
  • Encarta: Microsoft’s multimedia encyclopedia on CD-ROM. Barton managed a portfolio including an Encarta travel guide concept.
  • easySABRE: Software tool used by travel agents (accessed by Barton via Prodigy) that inspired the Expedia concept.
  • Peloton: Exercise bike/platform used by Barton.
  • Scrabble: Board game, used as an analogy for letter frequency/value in Barton’s naming strategy.
  • Taco Cat (Goat Cheese Pizza): Card game mentioned as simple fun during disconnected time.
  • Google Maps: Online mapping service, integrated with Zillow’s Zestimate concept (prices on roofs).
  • Kindle: Amazon’s e-reader device/platform, how Barton primarily reads now.
  • Starlink: Satellite internet service, mentioned as making disconnection harder.
  • Airstream: Brand of travel trailers.
  • Procreate: Digital painting app for iPad used by Barton.
  • WordPress: Content management system/platform associated with Matt Mullenweg/Automattic.
  • Balenciaga: Luxury fashion brand.
  • Prada: Another luxury fashion brand.
  • Zoom: Video conferencing software, mentioned regarding IPO roadshows potentially moving online.

Awards

  • Hugo Award: Annual literary award for the best science fiction or fantasy works and achievements of the previous year.
  • Nebula Award: Annual award for the best works of science fiction or fantasy published in the United States.

Relevant Resources

SHOW NOTES

  • [00:00:00] Start.
  • [00:05:30] Eddy Cue magic.
  • [00:06:14] Rich’s morning routine and workout philosophy.
  • [00:13:38] How Brad Chase at Microsoft taught Rich to swing big.
  • [00:15:46] The failed DOS for Dummies book bundle project.
  • [00:18:52] Steering a company toward a culture of innovation.
  • [00:20:26] Rich’s journey from management consulting to Microsoft.
  • [00:24:34] How Expedia came to be.
  • [00:32:32] Pitching and recruiting team talent.
  • [00:37:18] Degree design at Stanford.
  • [00:39:45] Realizing the value of real work as a youth.
  • [00:41:44] A fascination with Italy.
  • [00:43:01] Selling Expedia to Barry Diller/IAC.
  • [00:43:51] Dara Khosrowshahi’s role in Expedia’s acquisition.
  • [00:45:23] From a post-Expedia sale sabbatical in Italy to the birth of Zillow with Lloyd Frink.
  • [00:55:41] “Big pond, good fishermen” as business criteria.
  • [00:56:50] Early Zillow mistakes.
  • [01:00:05] The Zestimate: Zillow’s killer feature.
  • [01:01:29] Making lemonade from the lemons of Zillow’s launch day server crash.
  • [01:03:49] Rich’s provocation marketing playbook.
  • [01:05:30] Regulatory battles and resistance to industry disruption.
  • [01:10:44] Founding Glassdoor and its “give to get” data collection model.
  • [01:12:58] Avvo and rating attorneys — legal challenges as marketing.
  • [01:16:11] Digital marketplaces and Google disintermediation concerns.
  • [01:19:52] How Rich names companies to be memorable.
  • [01:25:28] Why Rich recommends leaving fear out of the provocation marketing equation.
  • [01:26:48] Working with Benchmark Capital.
  • [01:30:37] What serving on a board looks like and Rich’s membership criteria: “Is it local? Is it fun? Is it lucrative?”
  • [01:39:00] Rich’s motivation and regimen for staying healthy in his 50s.
  • [01:47:13] Cultivating leadership through absence — the two-week disconnected trip.
  • [01:49:34] Building a good company by keeping good company.
  • [01:51:42] Developing the skill to fire people as a win/win proposition.
  • [01:54:41] Rich’s family tattoo design and symbolism.
  • [01:57:29] Advice for balancing family and professional life.
  • [02:01:08] The benefits of distributed workforces post-pandemic.
  • [02:03:23] Recommended reading.
  • [02:12:17] Rich’s billboard.
  • [02:14:25] The importance of sabbaticals and disconnecting from digital devices.
  • [02:17:41] Taking up Procreate digital art during COVID.
  • [02:19:05] Parting thoughts.

RICH BARTON QUOTES FROM THE INTERVIEW

“Great organizations encourage innovation, encourage big-idea people to take big swings and do not punish them when it doesn’t work out according to plan.”
— Rich Barton

“Power to the people, baby. You build magic stuff for masses of consumers that they want to talk about with their friends, unprompted on the sidelines of the soccer game or what have you.”
— Rich Barton

“[Almost] all of my mistakes as a leader have been leaving the pitcher on the mound too long hoping that the arm would get better.”
— Rich Barton

“If you’re not happy with the performance of this person, I guarantee you the person isn’t happy either. Therefore, you can increase love in the world by releasing that person to find where that person belongs.”
— Rich Barton

“I’ve developed a pretty good playbook around what I would call provocation marketing. When you have a really provocative feature that you know people are going to feel emotional about one way or the other and they’re going to talk about it, you’re on to something.”
— Rich Barton

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菲利普·戈夫——探索意识与非常规宗教、伽利略的错误、泛心理主义、异端思想和治疗性信念(第805期) || Philip Goff — Exploring Consciousness and Non-Ordinary Religion, Galileo’s Error, Panpsychism, Heretical Ideas, and Therapeutic Belief (#805)

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达勒姆大学哲学教授菲利普·戈夫:意识、泛心论与非凡宗教

本文总结了蒂姆·费里斯秀(The Tim Ferriss Show)第805期对哲学家菲利普·戈夫(Philip Goff)的访谈。戈夫是泛心论的主要倡导者,该理论认为意识贯穿于现实的基本构成单元。

访谈核心内容:

  • 泛心论 (Panpsychism): 戈夫详细解释了泛心论,并澄清了人们对该理论的常见误解。他认为,意识并非涌现性质,而是物理世界的一个基本特征。 他将泛心论与量子意识理论联系起来,并讨论了该理论面临的科学挑战。

  • 意识的本质 (Nature of Consciousness): 戈夫探讨了意识和定性经验(Qualia)的定义,并分析了伽利略的错误(Galileo's Error),即科学将意识排除在研究之外。他比较了唯物主义和泛心论的观点,并讨论了神经解剖学上关于意识的争论。

  • 科学与宗教 (Science and Religion): 戈夫分享了他作为“异端基督徒”的经历,探讨了科学对物质本质的沉默,以及威廉·詹姆斯(William James)关于神秘体验的观点。他认为,宗教可以以一种超越传统信仰的方式,提供治疗益处和构建社群。他还讨论了神秘主义传统(如苏菲主义)以及迷幻剂对神秘体验的影响。

  • 其他主题: 访谈还涉及到集成信息理论 (IIT)、哥德尔不完备定理、虚拟现实对现实的启示,以及对未来宗教和精神运动的展望。

访谈中提及的重要人物和概念: 伯特兰·罗素、威廉·詹姆斯、罗杰·彭罗斯、集成信息理论、哥德尔不完备定理、神秘体验、苏菲诗歌等。

总结: 此次访谈深入探讨了意识的本质、泛心论的哲学意义以及科学与宗教之间的关系。戈夫以其独特的视角,挑战了传统的科学和宗教观念,为观众提供了对现实和人类体验的新思考。 访谈还包含了对一些书籍和人物的推荐。


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“Panpsychism is the view that consciousness goes all the way down to the fundamental building blocks of reality.”
— Philip Goff

Philip Goff (@Philip_Goff) is a professor of philosophy at Durham University. His main research focus is consciousness, but he is interested in many questions about the nature of reality. He is most known for defending panpsychism, the view that consciousness is a fundamental and ubiquitous feature of the physical world. Fifteen years ago, panpsychism was laughed at, if it was thought of at all. Goff has led a movement that has made panpsychism a mainstream position, taught to undergraduates and widely discussed in academic journals.

Goff is the author of Galileo’s Error: Foundations for a New Science of Consciousness and Why? The Purpose of the Universe. He has published 50 academic articles and has written extensively for newspapers and magazines, including Scientific American, The Wall Street Journal, The Guardian, Aeon and the Times Literary Supplement.

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Philip Goff — Exploring Consciousness and Non-Ordinary Religion, Galileo's Error, Panpsychism, Heretical Ideas, and Therapeutic Belief

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The transcript of this episode can be found here. Transcripts of all episodes can be found here.

Books, Publications, and Written Works

People

  • Gareth Cook: Pulitzer Prize-winning author who interviewed Philip for Scientific American.
  • Annaka Harris: Author, friend of Philip, sympathetic to Panpsychism.
  • Roger Penrose: Nobel Prize-winning physicist, proponent of quantum consciousness theories.
  • Stuart Hameroff: Scientist who collaborated with Penrose on consciousness theories.
  • Kurt Gödel: Logician known for incompleteness theorems.
  • Christof Koch: Neuroscientist involved in consciousness research, made a bet with Chalmers, associated with IIT.
  • David Chalmers: Philosopher known for work on consciousness, made a bet with Koch, proponent of Panpsychism, author of Reality+.
  • Giulio Tononi: Neuroscientist, key figure in Integrated Information Theory — IIT.
  • Max Planck: Physicist, father of quantum theory, quoted on consciousness being fundamental.
  • Galileo Galilei: Scientist pivotal in the scientific revolution, discussed for separating consciousness from physical science.
  • David Presti: Neuroscientist at UC Berkeley, editor of Mind Beyond Brain.
  • Steve Jurvetson: Venture capitalist discussed regarding quantum computing (Tim Ferriss Show #317).
  • Bertrand Russell: Philosopher and logician, key influence on Philip, proponent of ideas foundational to modern Panpsychism, author of Why I Am Not a Christian.
  • Charles Darwin: Biologist, used as a comparison for Russell’s impact.
  • Arthur Eddington: Scientist who confirmed Einstein’s theory, worked on consciousness/Panpsychism with Russell.
  • Albert Einstein: Physicist, creator of the theory of general relativity.
  • Isaac Newton: Physicist whose theory of gravity was updated by Einstein.
  • Stephen Hawking: Physicist, author of A Brief History of Time.
  • William James: Philosopher and psychologist, major influence on Philip, known for Varieties of Religious Experience and The Will to Believe.
  • Karen Armstrong: Historian of religion, author of The Case for God.
  • Meister Eckhart: Christian mystic.
  • William Lane Craig: Christian philosopher and apologist debated by Philip.
  • Dale Allison: Biblical scholar known for work on the resurrection.
  • Jesus: Central figure of Christianity, also referred to as Yeshua.
  • Tom Holland: Historian, author of Dominion.
  • William Shakespeare: Playwright.
  • Bertram: Character in Shakespeare’s All’s Well That Ends Well.
  • Helena: Character in Shakespeare’s All’s Well That Ends Well.
  • Origen: Early Christian theologian known for allegorical interpretation.
  • Thomas Aquinas: Philosopher and theologian, mentioned as initially radical.
  • St. Francis of Assisi: Christian saint associated with mysticism and nature.
  • Thomas Merton: Trappist monk and mystic writer.
  • Brian Muraresku: Author of The Immortality Key.
  • Bart Ehrman: Atheist Bible scholar mentioned regarding early Christian experiences.
  • St. Peter: Apostle of Jesus mentioned regarding resurrection experiences.
  • Mary Magdalene: Follower of Jesus mentioned regarding resurrection experiences.
  • Thomas Nagel: Philosopher, author of Mind and Cosmos.
  • Richard Dawkins: Biologist and prominent atheist.
  • Nick Bostrom: Philosopher known for the simulation hypothesis.
  • John Hawthorne: Philosopher mentioned for work on teleological laws.
  • Daniel Nolan: Philosopher mentioned for work on teleological laws.
  • Blaise Pascal: Mathematician and philosopher known for Pascal’s Wager.
  • Thomas Bayes: Mathematician, originator of Bayes’ Theorem.
  • David Hume: Philosopher known for skepticism, challenged by Bayes regarding miracles.
  • John Maynard Keynes: Economist, quoted on changing one’s mind.
  • Constantine: Roman Emperor associated with Christianity’s rise.
  • Socrates: Ancient Greek philosopher, used as a comparison for Bohr’s charisma.
  • Niels Bohr: Physicist, pioneer of quantum mechanics.
  • Knut Nordby: Late neuroscientist, expert color scientist who was colorblind.
  • Eugene Wigner: Nobel Prize-winning physicist who explored consciousness in quantum mechanics.
  • W.K. Clifford: Mathematician and philosopher mentioned by William James regarding belief and evidence.
  • Joanna Leidenhag: Panpsychist theologian.
  • Plato: Ancient Greek philosopher.
  • Joe Rogan: Podcaster who interviewed Philip.
  • Luke Roelofs: Philosopher, panpsychist who believes everything is conscious.
  • Angela Mendonovici: Philosopher mentioned as a secular panpsychist.
  • Hedda Hassel Mørch: Philosopher mentioned as seeing consonance between Panpsychism and spirituality.
  • Itai Shani: Philosopher mentioned as seeing consonance between Panpsychism and spirituality.
  • A.J. Jacobs: Author and journalist known for his immersive journalism and experiments in living.
  • Hafez: Persian Sufi poet.
  • Jalal al-Din Rumi: Persian Sufi poet.
  • Haleh Liza Gafori: Performance artist, translator, vocalist, poet, and musician.
  • David Yaden: Scientist, author of The Varieties of Spiritual Experiences.
  • Stanislas Dehaene: Neuroscientist associated with Global Neuronal Workspace Theory.
  • Erwin Schrödinger: Physicist known for the Schrödinger equation and thought experiment.
  • Gottlieb Frege: Logician and philosopher who worked with Russell.
  • Kelvin McQueen: Philosopher who explored consciousness’s role in quantum mechanics with Chalmers.

Concepts (Philosophy/Religion/Spirituality)

Concepts (Science/Math/Psychology)

  • Gödel’s Incompleteness Theorems: Mathematical theorems showing limits of provability in formal systems, with deep implications for mathematics and logic.
  • Predicate Logic: A branch of formal logic incorporating quantifiers, variables, and predicates to express relationships and make inferences about objects.
  • Microtubules: Cellular structures in neurons’ cytoskeleton proposed by some theorists to play a role in consciousness through quantum processes.
  • Neural Correlates of Consciousness (NCC): The minimal neural systems sufficient for specific conscious experiences, forming a key research program in neuroscience.
  • Integrated Information Theory (IIT): Scientific theory proposing that consciousness emerges from complex integrated information systems in the brain.
  • Phi: Measure of integrated information used in IIT to quantify the amount of consciousness in a system.
  • Schrödinger Equation: Fundamental equation in quantum mechanics describing how quantum states evolve over time.
  • Schrödinger’s Cat: Schrödinger’s famous thought experiment in quantum mechanics that is simultaneously kind and unkind to a feline frenemy.
  • Superposition: Quantum mechanical principle where particles exist in multiple states simultaneously until measured.
  • Born Rule: Fundamental rule in quantum mechanics that determines probability distributions of measurement outcomes.
  • General Relativity: The geometric theory of gravitation published by Albert Einstein in 1915.
  • Cosmological Constant: The simplest possible explanation for dark energy, used in the standard model of cosmology known as the ?CDM model.
  • MAOIs (Monoamine Oxidase Inhibitors): Class of chemicals that inhibit monoamine oxidase enzymes, used in antidepressants and found in ayahuasca.

Movies

Institutions and Organizations

Events

Relevant Resources

SHOW NOTES

  • [00:00:00] Start.
  • [00:06:24] What is panpsychism?
  • [00:11:19] Common misunderstandings about panpsychism.
  • [00:16:08] Roger Penrose and quantum consciousness.
  • [00:17:26] Gödel’s incompleteness theorem.
  • [00:19:22] The challenges of scientific consensus on consciousness.
  • [00:21:35] Integrated Information Theory (IIT).
  • [00:27:17] What early quantum pioneers like Max Planck and Niels Bohr thought about consciousness.
  • [00:33:15] Defining consciousness and qualia.
  • [00:35:41] Galileo’s Error: How science removed consciousness from study.
  • [00:41:03] Materialist vs. panpsychist.
  • [00:43:30] The neuroanatomical seat of consciousness debate.
  • [00:45:41] Scientific challenges around the public observation of consciousness.
  • [00:50:35] Exploring potential payoffs and ethical considerations of figuring out consciousness.
  • [00:57:01] How virtual reality reminded Philip to appreciate ordinary reality.
  • [01:00:31] Bertrand Russell and William James as philosophical heroes.
  • [01:02:05] Science seems mum on the matter of matter.
  • [01:06:53] William James and mystical experiences.
  • [01:09:20] Philip’s journey as a “heretical Christian.”
  • [01:19:23] Why Philip left Christianity at age 14.
  • [01:20:20] Rediscovering mystical traditions within Christianity.
  • [01:31:41] Karen Armstrong on the modern corruption of religious belief.
  • [01:33:56] Is true belief a prerequisite for building a community through religion and enjoying its therapeutic benefits?
  • [01:48:40] Psychedelics and numinous experiences.
  • [01:51:36] Sufism and mystical poetry.
  • [01:56:10] Renaming traditional religious terms for broader accessibility.
  • [02:01:09] The potential resurgence of religion and new spiritual movements.
  • [02:05:42] Philip’s billboard.
  • [02:08:36] Parting thoughts.

MORE PHILIP GOFF QUOTES FROM THE INTERVIEW

“Panpsychism is the view that consciousness goes all the way down to the fundamental building blocks of reality.”
— Philip Goff

“Don’t start from ‘What do I want?’ Start from ‘How can I contribute?’ I think happiness flows from that.”
— Philip Goff

“The way the word ‘consciousness’ is standardly used, I think in both science and philosophy, it just means subjective experience. Your consciousness is just what it’s like to be you.”
— Philip Goff

“I’m not here saying, ‘Oh, this is the one true faith you’ve got to believe.’ … I’m interested in different experiments in living, and I think there’s a way of engaging religion that perhaps not everyone is fully aware of.”
— Philip Goff

“Physical science doesn’t really tell us what matter is … ultimately, at base, physics just gives us mathematical structure. And so in a sense, physics doesn’t care what matter is, it doesn’t care what physical reality is, it just cares what its mathematical structure is.”
— Philip Goff

“We don’t know if we can get consciousness out of physics, but we know we can get physics out of consciousness.”
— Philip Goff

[On the integrated information theory:] “The proposal is that at the exact moment when a system has more integrated information in the whole than in the parts, that’s when the lights come on. That’s when you get consciousness.”
— Philip Goff

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